Sunday, April 4, 2010

Central 4* Hotel in Shanghai - please suggest

Hello,



I am looking for 4* hotels, in central Shanghai, for my 4 days stay. Would like to find a comfortable, good looking hotel in a central position, good for shopping and restaurants nearby.



Allocated budget will be max 120 USD/room/night.



Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.



Thanks



Matteo



Italy



Central 4* Hotel in Shanghai - please suggest


4 star located centrally r Central Hotel,Charms Hotel,Park Hotel,Salvo hotel,Bund Hotel,Bund river side hotel,Ramda Plaza Nanxingya hotel which ha been upgraded recently to 5 star status.



Central 4* Hotel in Shanghai - please suggest


Charms is only 3* AFAIK. The rest would be Chinese 4*, but probably not international 4*, probably with the exception of the Ramada.



You might also want to consider Donghu Hotel in the French Concession.




I have a biz partner from France who always stays at the Salvo and is always happy about the value for money. Perfect location.




Thank you for your suggestions.



I%26#39;m considering the Salvo or the Donghu Hotel.



Especially the Conghu Hotel seems interesting to me because of the quiet %26amp; green area surrounding it (at least this is what I understand from the website).



About the Donghu: I read it is in the French Concession area of Shanghai. Is it far away from the Bund, Nanjing Road and all the rest of city attractions ?



Thanks !




Not far nor inconvenient. Donghu Hotel is 5 mins walk from Changshu Lu or Shaanxi Nanlu metro stops on line 1. Takes under 10 mins to get to People%26#39;s Square (interchange for lines 1, 2 %26amp; 8) which%26#39;s the start of Nanjing Lu pedestrian street. You can then change to line 2 and alight 1 stop further at Nanjing Donglu stop then walk about 5-10 mins to the Bund, or just walk all the way along the pedestrian street.




If you%26#39;re ok with less stars but a more apartment-like living space, Citadines Jinqiao is a good choice. You can get a studio or 1 bedroom apartment through Ctrip.com. Located near People%26#39;s Square right behind the New World department store and 5 min to the metro.





鈥trip.com/Domestic/ShowHotelInfo.aspx鈥?/a>





Disclaimer: I am a Ctrip shareholder, but I%26#39;ve also made more than 30 bookings through them as well and never had problems.




Thanks to you all for your suggestions.



I am still trying to find more hotels in Shanghai, but I have a problem: I don%26#39;t know where is the center of the city. I need this info to evaluate the position of the hotel. Could you please tell me a couple of streets, intersections or something similar which represents the city center ?



Thanks again




Hello, still here...



I%26#39;ve found another interesting hotel:



The Bund Riverside.



Prices are good, location seems okay.



Any comment on this ?





Let%26#39;s say we have 3 finalists:



Salvo Hotel, Donghu Hotel, The Bund Riverside.



Which one would you suggest for a 4 night stay ?





Of course we are tourists, first time in Shanghai (and in China), we like to spend most of our time outside the hotel to see everything the city has to offer, but we also like to come back in hotel everyday to have a quick break between 4-6pm, just before going out again for diner.





Thanks !




The districts that make up ';downtown'; would be Huangpu, Luwan and Jing%26#39;an, with parts of Xuhui included as well. You don%26#39;t necessarily need to be stuck at People%26#39;s Square all the time, there%26#39;re other metro stops which are also in lively areas. On metro line 1, Huangpi Nanlu, Shaanxi Nanlu, Xujiahui; on metro line 2, Jing%26#39;an Temple, Nanjing Xilu and Nanjing Donglu; on metro line 8, Hongkou Stadium. People%26#39;s Square is an interchange for all 3 lines.



In order of personal preference: Donghu Hotel, Salvo Hotel and Bund Riverside Hotel.




Hi officially the center of the city is the People square.From here u can work it out.Bund riverside is not bad ,not too far from the metro n next strret to Nanjing dong lu located at Beijing east road.But i still prefer Charms if i were to stay at a cheaper hotel.The rate is about the same at these 2 hotels.Charms is a stone throw from Nanjing donglu n metro.Taxis r easier to get too n within 5 mins walk to People square.Though its a 3 to 4 star hotelwith a new refurbished lobby,the facilities r really not bad.I used to stay at the suite room with abig bedroom a ketchenette,n a separate hall for about 750Rmb.,amaybe the rate is slightly higher now.

Shuzou Trains...

Sorry... one more question.





I have an overnight trip to Tongli planned. My Shanghai hotel has booked the hotel for me (Zhengfu Caotang).





On another thread, Annieandhammish kindly mentioned the possible need to book the trains to and from Suzhou. Few questions:





a) I will be going on a Tuesday and coming back on a Wednesday (next Tuesday and Wednesday in fact!). Does this still apply?





b) Do I also have to book the buses that I understand are the necessary connections between Suzhou and Tongli?





If possible, I would like to avoid booking, to try to keep a bit of flexibility in the trip.





Thanks again.

Sofitel Ponte 16

I%26#39;ll be staying for 3 days and 2 nights in Sofitel Ponte 16 during mid May (16-18).



It%26#39;s gonna be my first time in Macau. Any suggested itinerary for me since it will be Sat and Sun? Thinking to go to St. Paul, Ama Temple, Kuan Yim Statue.





I also would like to try the authentic Portuguese and Macanese food, i can see in the forum that A Lorcha and Margaret are one of the famous ones, are they close to Sofitel?





Is Sofitel also in close proximity to Wynn and Venetian?



Sofitel Ponte 16


Even with the weekend crowds you%26#39;ll have time time to do lots more than you have mentioned - to get Macau to scale, the entire Macau Special Administrative Region would fit easily in the Sydney area surrounded by Rozelle, Sydney Uni, Circular Quay and Paddington, with room to spare. AND it has an excellent bus service.



Sofitel is about 10 minutes walk from Senado Square (generally taken to be the centre of downtown), Margaret%26#39;s is a few minutes beyond that, and Wynn about 5 minutes further on. A Lorcha is close to the A Ma temple, about 30 minutes walk to the south on the same road as Sofitel - or of course you can catch buses in either direction.



For the Venetian you could either catch a public bus from near your hotel, or backtrack to the ferry pier and catch one of their shuttle buses.



I would also use the day you go out there to explore Taipa and Coloane villages - apart from the scenery and history, there are a lot of good eats to be had in both places, much cheaper than at the Venetian.


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  • Need Favour

    Hi... I am May, It%26#39;s been long time I dont visit HK, my last trip is 1986 then 2007 (but only stay for a night then leaving for BKK the next day). So I need a favour...





    I Am going to Hong Kong this coming 22 March 2009 via Macau. Taking AirAsia to Macau and then ferry to Hong Kong. ETA to Macau is around 8 pm. I will leave for HK the next day, probably about 10am.



    (a) How many hours trip with ferry from Macau to HK?



    (b) How to go to Peterson St, Causeway Bay from Ferry harbour HK?





    We have some list which is we want to visit such as:



    1. Lantau Island



    2. Madame Tussauds



    3. Jumbo Restaurant



    4. Ladies Market



    5. Tsim Sha Tsui (Avenue of Stars)





    Would you like to tell me where should I go first and how to go? (we just have 3days and 3 nights at HK).





    And How to get to the airport by airport express train (from Peterson St, Causeway Bay)? and how long it takes from Peterson St to airport ? I need to arrange it well so I wont miss the flight :) and also have enough time to sight seing at HK Airport :)



    I am leaving for Singapore at 26 March, 13.30 flight by Singpapore Airlines (which terminal?)





    Thanks before





    May



    Need Favour


    a) ferry is one hour, but you have immigration at both ends.





    b) If you go to the Macau ferry terminal in Sheung Wan, catch the MTR 4 stops to Causeway Bay.







    c) What do you want to do on Lantau? See the Big Buddha? visit Tai O village? Big Buudha takes half a day, as does Tai O. try to avoid weekends and holidays.





    Jumbo%26#39;s food isn%26#39;t that good, and it is over priced. Maybe just go for a look.





    Try to avoid Md Tussauds and the peak on weekends and holidays.





    You can also catch airport bus A11 from causeway bay to the airport. takes one hour. See www.nwstbus.com.hk/routes/routeinfo.aspx鈥?/a>





    If you go by airport train, you need to catch the MTR to Central station, then transfer to Hong Kong station, and then catch the airport express to the airport. Total journey time around 45 minutes.



    Need Favour


    a. The ferry trip takes about one hour.





    b. Follow the signs from the pier to MTR Sheung Wan Station, where you can access the Island Line of the MTR. Causeway Bay is just a 4-stop ride. Buy you Octopus card at the Sheung Wan MTR Station%26#39;s Customer Service Center. Octopus is a stored value card that is valid on most transports. Refer to other links in the forum for more details.





    c. From Causeway Bay, the free shuttle bus H2 that goes to Hong Kong Station for the Airport Express stops at several hotels. The closest one to Peterson St should be Park Lane Hotel. Alternatively, you can always catch a taxi direct to HK Station for about $40 plus $5 per piece of luggage. Another option is to take Airport Bus A11 ($40 per person) direct to the airport (ask the hotel for where the bus stop is).





    You should leave wherever you are staying by 10:30am to get to the airport on time. There isn%26#39;t much worth seeing at the airport so I wouldn%26#39;t bother with spending additional time there.





    Sightseeing: Three days are plenty to see the list you mentioned and you could see quite a bit more. Lantau may take up to one day if you decide to see Giant Buddha, Po Lin Monastery, Citygate Outlet Mall, and Tai O village. Ladies Market could be as little as one hour to 1/2 day depending on your shopping habits. Jumbo Restaurant is not recommended. The Peak (with Madame Tussaud%26#39;s) is a 1/2 day max. Avenue of Stars, TST promenade, Symphony of Lights Show (8pm daily) and Star Ferry take mabye 2 hours. For other things to do and see:





    http://www.discoverhongkong.com/eng/




    Thanks a lot. Will you recommend me some nice and specific food at HK? How about Yung Kee Restaurang which is famous of their roast Duck? (32 - 40 Wellington Street, Central, HK)



    Thanks before





    May




    ooppss..forgor, my staff said she wants to visit Lantau which has one big tree, where we hang our wishes and they believe it will come true. Do you know where is it?



    Thanks again





    May




    Thanks Sammy, You explain it so clear and it helps a lot...




    Yung Kee is famous for roast goose, not roast duck. However, the quality of the roast goose varies. It can be very good one day and relatively unimpressive the next. Either way, the goose is very expensive. The rest of the item on the food menu, including dim sum, are actually above average. Just don%26#39;t expect it to be cheap. Reservations are essential unless you go at off-peak hours.





    For other restaurant recommendations, please see the Sticky Dining thread started by Katetam at the top of the forum page.




    The wishing tree is not at Lantau but it%26#39;s at Tai Po at New Territories. See link below for a previous discussion:





    tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g294217-i1496-k261鈥?/a>




    Thanks a lot :)




    Btw, I dont see the page that you were trying to tell me (For other restaurant recommendations, please see the Sticky Dining thread started by Katetam at the top of the forum page.).





    One more question, my staff wanna go to clubbing. Can you recommend a good place, safe, nice atmosphere and more elite...and how far is it from Peterson st? Is it safe to go home at late of night by taxi?




    Dining thread





    tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g294217-i1496-k399鈥?/a>





    Clubbing - how elite do you want? Try Lan Kwai Fong area.





    Hong Kong is safe.

    Greeting?!

    I%26#39;ve noticed that in restaurants and shops, attendants/clerks say something that sounds like ';hi,good morning'; but I think it is something Chinese...and they say this at any time of the day.





    What is it? And what does it mean?



    Greeting?!


    huan y谋ng guang l谋n



    Welcome (formal)



    Greeting?!


    yes, just like above mentioned. welcome to our shops/ restaurant. And in the Japanese restaurants, you will hear the Japanese version of that:D




    Thanks :)





    or...





    xixi :)




    it%26#39;s xiexie :)




    Bu yong xie!




    xie xie guang lin

    Hangzhou to Zhou Zhuang??

    Has anyone tried going to Zhou ZHuang from Hangzhou?



    Is it possible to take a taxi? If so, how much will it cost and how long?



    Hangzhou to Zhou Zhuang??


    Or would it be more convenient to go to Tongli from Hangzhou?

    Impression West Lake

    Has anyone seen the production ';Impression West Lake';? Where is it in Hangzhou and is it easy to get tickets? How is it compared to ';Impression Liu Sanjie'; in Yangshuo? If I could only see one, which one should I go to?





    Thanks for any input.



    Impression West Lake


    Yes, I have. It%26#39;s performed on the West Lake in front of Yue Fei Temple. It was easy to get tickets when we went as it was in winter and freezing cold.



    Haven%26#39;t seen the one in Yangshuo so can%26#39;t compare.



    Impression West Lake


    I saw ';Impression West Lake'; in November 2007, and I thought it was awesome. Although the night was chilly, it was quite bearable for the 45 min. performance. Not familiar with ';Impression Liu Sanjie.';




    Thanks of the info. I am planning to travel to Beijing-Xian-Nanjing-Shanghai-Hangzhou-Guilin-Hong Kong, in that order next year. I am making this trip in 21 days. I%26#39;ll either see Impression West Lake in Hangzhou or Impression Liu Sanjie in Yangshuo. Most likely Impression West Lake so that I don%26#39;t miss out on one of these Impression productions. By the way, would September or October be better weather wise? September is warmer (or may even be too hot in southern China), but has longer daylight hours. I%26#39;ll definitely avoid travelling during the national holiday week of Oct 1.




    Ooooops!!!! We are in 2008 already. I mean travelling to China this year.




    Might as well see both so that you can answer your own question. ;)



    I would pick September.




    When is the best time to visit Hangzhou?




    Hi - Does anyone know if the Impressions show runs on Saturday nights in February? If it does, how do we get tickets, and what time does it start??




    People%26#39;s opinions differ, but I think Hangzhou is worth visiting in any season. Of course if you want to see the lotuses and water lilies in green/bloom it%26#39;d be advisable to come in summer, but it would be rather hot and humid in that season.



    AFAIK Impressions West Lake runs 365 days of the year. http://www.hzyxxh.com is the official website. IIRC the show starts at 8 pm and in the low season you can just get tickets on the day of performance, from its own ticket office opposite Yue Fei Temple.




    I saw this performance in Hangzhou last week, and it is not to be missed. I have not seen Impression Liu Sanjie so I can not compare. Tickets were purchased the morning of the performance, but I had a guide to assist and was with a group tour.





    Good Luck. If you go, I%26#39;d love a brochure as they were out when I attended.




    Hi and thank you for the reply. Yes, I did go, but unfortunately, as a result of issues at the hotel, we lost so much time - we were not able to attend the performance and we were extremely rushed.





    NOTE - Do not stay at the Zhejiang Xizi Hotel at West Lake. In this hotel, the lobby was nice, but the rest of the hotel was dark and dirty and smelled badly of smoke. The walls in our room were cracking badly, and even though we requested a non-smoking room (my colleague has life-threatening asthma and allergies) they gave us a smoking room (with ashes all over the tables and cigarette holes in the rug - worst smell of dirty smoke).





    When we explained that we could not stay in that room, they did not offer us another, and the management refused to return our money to us. It was ridiculous - we had never had this experience in any of our travels.





    We travelled all the way from Canada to Hangzhou to visit with a important supplier, and our day was wasted as a result of this mess.





    So, if we go again, we will book the Shangri-La (much better hotel and staff) and save up enough time to make sure to see the performance - thank you for your feedback about this.

    Outlet Store

    I heard that there is an outlet store in Shanghai for the Lacoste products %26amp; other brands...



    Can you tell me how to get there from The Bund Riverside hotel? Thanks.



    Outlet Store


    Do you mean http://outlets.blemall.com in Qingpu district? That%26#39;s pretty far from town, IIRC the bus from People%26#39;s Square took about an hour each way. How many of you are there?



    Outlet Store


    Yes, I think that%26#39;s the one. Thanks!





    We are 4 in the group.




    Bus lines 沪青专线 and 沪青盈专线 depart from Pu%26#39;an Lu (普安路) which%26#39;s behind Shanghai Museum (People%26#39;s Square). You%26#39;ll need to alight at Fangjiayao (方家窑). Journey time could be around 50 mins if there%26#39;s no traffic jam.




    Just take a Taxi .. about 80Y my estimate.. took a bus from the outlets back to Peoples Sq... took me like almost 1.5-2 hrs due to Traffic... rds where in bad condition compared to the freeways the taxi would be using .. not worth the saving IMO .




    it depends on the time you go and get back, usually from 5pm-7pm the traffic is quite bad.




    Went to the Outlet Store, from the bus @ People%26#39;s Square. For a group of 4, taxi (to %26amp; from the hotel) %26amp; bus fare cost us less than 100CNY.





    The Outlet Store is worth it, in my opinion :)





    I got a TNF Denali gloves for half the price and a Nike jacket from 648CNY, down to 99CNY.





    Of course, it takes patience to find a great catch.




    Hi,we are interested in the outlet stores you visited - are the outlet stores near Hongqiao airport area ? We have a 5 hour transit on Fri evening bef catch domestic flight fr Hongqiao airport and are wondering if we should go to the outlets ?



    Read that they have Lacoste and other branded studd etc there - are the prices and ranges good ?



    Thanks

    China North International Shooting Range

    Hi does anyone know the cost of firing wepons at the China North International Shooting Range?



    Are their other activities in the area - eg a wall section to vist etc?



    China North International Shooting Range


    I was there once with my tourists,i think they spend 700rmb





    I can%26#39;t remeber the cost for each shot,the small guns and long one(sorry i don%26#39;t know the professional English name for these guns)around 10rmb each.





    My toursits short really fast,and he tried three type of guns.so thats the cost.





    You can combine the great Wall of Juyongguan or Badaling or Ming tombs with the shooting range,but it is hard to find



    China North International Shooting Range


    I like Shooting Range.




    I am not into shooting, but this info is not so hard to find. Thanks to Google.





    %26lt;Quote%26gt;



    It%26#39;s interesting to see other foreign visitors to miss the point. Pay on the spot by the bullet or other projectile. Professional staff from China%26#39;s army will assist you in having your weapon pointed at the right target. Please don%26#39;t forget take your passport on hand for identification when you are going to attend the shooting activity. You might want to bring your own earplugs as well. No license required. Apart from the 7.62mm type or AK47, China North also offers various kinds of pistols, machine guns, rifles, machine guns, rocket launchers, and mortars.





    Opening Hour: 8:00am - 4:30pm daily



    Price: RMB 10 per bullet ( reference price )



    %26lt;End Quote%26gt;


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  • Great Wall with (almost) a 2 year old??

    Hi I was just wondering would it be possible to do the Great wall at Mutianyu with my little girl? Or will it be too hard? Should i do the Great Wall elsewhere? Hope that makes sense!



    Thanks



    Great Wall with (almost) a 2 year old??


    there is no problem,you can do it by cab.very easy.



    Great Wall with (almost) a 2 year old??


    Getting there is no problem. You cal also go up by cable car.





    But some parts are quit steep for two year old kids and the surface is not that smooth, so probably you can not do much walking at the wall itself.





    I do not know when you plan to go, but is can also be quit hot up there.




    Have a look at flickr.com/photos/鈥?/a>





    that gives you an idea what to expect.




    Loved the photos - they are brilliant. We are planning on going mid-late May. Will it be hot then? Please Dont laugh at this silly question but will I be able to do parts of the Great Wall with a stroller or should I bring a sling??



    Thanks once again!




    Forget a stroller, you are always going up and down stept. The wall is not flat. It will be warm but not too hot.




    When you take the cable car - take the second one. The first one you come to is like a ski lift. The second one is enclosed. it might be a bit safer with a 2 year old.




    Thank you so much for your replies - greatly appreciated!!




    I have a different opinion which makes the world go round. You can certainly go to the ';Wall'; but as far as walking the ';Wall'; with a two year old? Not a good idea.

    Revised Itinerary - 20 Nights

    After much research, advice and soul searching in having to leave certain areas out, here is my final itinerary V3.0!







    Any thoughts, or suggestions are most welcome. I have an idea of what I would like to see in most of the places listed, however have not decided on what order. Most likely I will have interchangable day plans which can be arranged according to weather and conditions.







    I am still a little concerned about buying train tickets only 2-4 days before travel... Ideally would be looking to book either Soft Sleeper or the Deluxe 2 berth cabins. Will I have time to book these or am I better off going through an agent?







    Shanghai 鈥?3 Nights



    Arrive from UK



    + Suzhou, Tongli and Hangzhou



    Overnight Sleeper to Beijing





    Beijing 鈥?4 Nights



    + Chengde



    Overnight Sleepter to Xi鈥檃n





    Xi鈥檃n 鈥?2 Nights



    Flight to Chengdu





    Chengdu 鈥?3 Nights



    + Leshan



    Flight to Guilin





    Guilin 鈥?2 Nights in Yangshuo



    + Longsheng



    Overnight Sleeper to Shenzhen





    Hong Kong 鈥?3 Nights



    Flight to UK









    Thanks again to those who have helped me in getting this far!





    Remember, I cannot spend more than 20 nights, so if anything is to be added, I will have to remove time from elsewhere.



    Revised Itinerary - 20 Nights


    A lot of moving around.



    Revised Itinerary - 20 Nights


    I know what you mean, there%26#39;s just so much I want to see!





    I am torn with going with the above, or skipping out Chengdu and Leshan, and instead having an extra night in Beijing, Xi%26#39;an and Yansghuo.





    This is quite similar to a number of tours i have seen, so it is possible, just as you say a lot of moving around which is quite daunting. If only I had an extra week or two...







    Do you think there will be any problem in booking the train tickets only 2-3 days before departure?




    You have enough time in Beijing and Xi%26#39;an, could use more in Beijing and Yangshuo. How about coming back some other time for more remote areas. This is a big countries. Remember, each time you travel you nearly lose that day.




    Your itinerary is as large as mine. :)





    I%26#39;m still considering an agent since rearranging things if something goes wrong would be time-consuming.





    I%26#39;m a seasoned business traveler but I depend a lot on a travel agency when I have to make adjustments. Since this trip is a gift for my wife, I%26#39;m still weighing whether going it alone is better than hiring an agent to arrange transportation and tours.

    Canadian $ in China

    Hi,





    Is it easy to exchange Canadian $ in China or should I bring US $ instead.





    thanks for your help.



    Canadian $ in China


    Get a little bit of RMB in Toronto to get you started then use your ATM card here for more as you need some cash. ATM machines are at least as frequent as in Toronto



    Canadian $ in China


    no need to take USD unless you already have some lying around.

    Fancy evening out

    Hi, I%26#39;ll be in HK in 2 weeks time with my partner and wanted to take her out for a nice meal and cocktails (dressing up a bit). I don%26#39;t mind about the price so much but would love some help about where would be nie to go for a fancy night out. A place with views would also be an advantage and don%26#39;t mind what type of food we have either. Any ideas would really be appreciated





    Thanks



    Fancy evening out


    Many options in Tsim Sha Tsui such as Aqua , Felix and Spoon.



    Fancy evening out


    Kowloon side: all at Tsim Sha Tsui





    Aqua: you get the view. Food and service are so-so. There is a minimum charge. Best for just drinks.





    Felix: Bar at Peninsula Hotel with a view. Nicely decorated. Food so-so. Best for drinks and be sure to visit the toilet.





    Chesa: Swiss restaurant at Peninsula with an intimate atmosphere, great food and good service. No view.





    Spoon: Alain Ducasse restaurant with a good harbour view. A bit noisey though.





    Nobu: Another Intercontinental restaurant with a view.





    Steak House at Intercontinental: not as fancy, but the steaks are very very good.





    Hong Kong side:





    L%26#39;Atelier de Joel Robuchon: Landmark at Central side, two Michelin stars.





    Amber: Landmark at Central side, two Michelin stars and the only Michielin starred place I have liked.





    Brasserie on the Eighth: Conrad Hotel at Admiralty. Good French/European food, atmosphere and servce.





    Lung King Heen: Chinese at Four Seasons, quite formal, 3 stars. Has great harbour view.





    Dynasty: Renaissance Harbour View Hotel, Wan Chai North. Chinese, not as formal but has high ceilings, good food and great view of harbour.

    Airport Money Changer

    We arrive in Beijing on Sunday at around 4:30 p.m.



    Can someone tell me if the money exchange office will be open? Where would we find it when coming out from customs/immigration? Where is the best place to exchange money if we have no ATM card?



    Airport Money Changer


    I don%26#39;t know which terminal you are arriving in but in terminal 3 there are some all over the place. No worries.



    Airport Money Changer


    I have been told that the exchange rate at the airport is not very good. In our travels, we have found that the exchange rate at the airport is comparable to banks and much better than the rate given at USA airports.




    I believe we arrive at Terminal 3 and thank you for your information.




    Correction. Hainan Airlines arrives at Terminal 2. Any problems with lack of banks at Terminal 2?




    3 bsnks at terminal 2:



    en.bcia.com.cn/servings/service103418.shtml




    In countries with strict currency control (such as China), airport exchange rates are not worse than in town.




    Thank you for the information. Good to know that the exchange rate at the airport banks are no better or worse than the banks in the city.




    If we were to bring an ATM card, would be able to understand the process? Thanks.




    All ATMs have a language selection menu if you insert a foreign card. So just choose English and the rest is clear.

    Where to buy camera ?

    Hi All,





    I%26#39;ll visit HK in December, and my husband would like to know where to buy camera, lenses and accesories related to photography. Can anyone inform whether the price will be cheaper compare to Singapore? Thanks in advance.



    Where to buy camera ?


    Avoid the rip off merchants on Nathan Road.





    If you intend to purchase a camera in HK, buy from a reputable chain store like Fortress



    Where to buy camera ?


    and Broadway



    and Tai Lin




    Hi,



    You may visit Wing Shing photo supplies co. in Mong kok. There are lots of lens and accessories available.



    Address: 57. SAI YEUNG CHOL STREET. KOWLOON




    def wing shing mong kok, i believe there%26#39;s 4 branches, they have the CHEAPEST prices ever!!





    i%26#39;ve bought ipod%26#39;s, mobiles, and a camera from there before on past trips to hong kong




    never ever buy in causeway bay nikon shop near sogo mall. i bought there once the price was very expensive.




    Stanley Street in Central District.




    I would NOT buy a camera on Nathan Road. If for some reason the thing goes bad, you%26#39;ll have no recourse for service. If at ALL possible, buy your camera before you get to HK.




    There are Fortress and Broadway shops on Nathan Road which are safe to buy at. Tai Lin, mentioned earlier, has gone bankrupt.





    Agree that the brightly lit shops along Nathan Rd with %26#39;names%26#39; such as %26#39;sony%26#39; will cheat you. Also, do your research and compare prices in your own country and online before buying in Hong Kong.




    Stanley St. in Central name above is the ';camera street'; in HK, with small reliable shops.




    I dropped by Stanley Street since I%26#39;ve read about it so many times. Their prices are lower than those of the chains like Fortress and Broadway but so far the cheapest camera stores I found are in Tsim Sha Tsui. Not those rip-off predators but a couple of reliable tourist-friendly stores. Suntek along Haiphong road and Kamfai along Mody are 2 stores I can vouch for.


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  • 3 - 3 1/2 weeks in China

    My husband and I are planning a trip to China and would like to spend around 3 l/2 weeks there. I%26#39;ve played around with an itinerary and would really appreciate any input, suggestions or deletions. We are independent travelers in our early 60%26#39;s and are in good health. From everything I%26#39;ve read, I don%26#39;t think we%26#39;ll need guides for most places. We don%26#39;t mind hiring drivers or guides when needed, but really do enjoy discovering places and things ourselves. We love the adventure, but are always cautious. Also, we hate to keep moving from one place to another every day or two, so the ideal time at each place for us is around 3-4 days. But, we do understand that if there%26#39;s not much to see, then less days is an option.





    I%26#39;ve listed the places and amount of time that we would like to spend at each location:





    Arrive Beijing and spend 4 nights





    2 nights Xian





    4 nights Hong Kong





    2-3 nights Guilin/Long Sheng





    2 nights Yangshuo





    1-2 nights Suzhou %26amp; Tongli





    3-4 nights Shanghai %26amp; then home





    We are open to all ideas and opinions and really do appreciate any advice. We%26#39;ve had wonderful experiences with Trip Advisor forums in the past and have done some wonderful trips because of all of you.





    Thank you.



    3 - 3 1/2 weeks in China


    Hi Zingal, I think you have posted this in a number of different China forums. If you have a general question it%26#39;s best just to post on the China forum %26amp; everyone will see it:)



    Hong Kong - put on the start or end of your itinerary. Hong Kong is classed as international so if you leave it the way it is you will need a double entry visa instead of a single. Also as it%26#39;s classed as international the flights to %26amp; from mainland China are expensive.



    You have 2-3 nights Guilin %26amp; 2 nights Yangshuo. Lots of people consider there is more to see %26amp; do in Yangshuo. You can take in the sights of Guilin on the way there or back. So you are not changing hotels so much then: arrive Guilin %26amp; head for Yangshuo. See sights in Guilin as you head to Longsheng %26amp; spend one night in Longsheng.



    As you also have 3.5 weeks you also have time for another destination such as Chengdu in Sichuan or places in Yunnan like Dali or Lijiang. To do this, spend just the one night in Xian and have just the 3 or 4 nights in Shanghai. Suzhou %26amp; Tongli can be done as day trips.



    Good luck with everything %26amp; have a great time



    Annie



    3 - 3 1/2 weeks in China


    Hi Annieandhamish,



    Thanks for your response. I know I posted on all the sights. Because of the different cities, I thought to post on each individual sight and was afraid I wouldn%26#39;t get answers from the China forum.





    I%26#39;ve figured out that we will fly in or out of HK as you and a few other members have suggested. It certainly makes more sense. Now I have to decide which place to start....HK or Beijing. We will go in September so I guess it depends on the weather, which should be good everywhere???





    I like your idea of staying in Shanghai and doing day trip to Suzhou %26amp; Tongli. Is is worth staying in Long Sheng overnight? So do you suggest we still stay 4 nights in Shaghai, including day trips to Suzhou %26amp; Tongli?





    Have also thought about adding on Lijiang %26amp; Dali, but how far is that and do we have to take a flight?





    What kind of itinerary would you suggest now?





    Appreciate your help.




    Hi, Just thought i would mention the different forums as that may save you time in writing:) Hopefully you will get lots of answers tho.



    The weather in September is nice, you will still strike some hot days tho, specially early on, but generally okay.



    3 - 4 nights in Shanghai is enough to see everything %26amp; do some day trips.



    Hmmm - visiting Yunnan: Wonderful things to see, the only problem being you will have to go thru Kunming to get a connecting flight to Lijiang. It is an option for you to look at though. Look up Lijiang %26amp; you will go wow:)



    That%26#39;s why I put in Chengdu as well. You can see the Pandas there %26amp; it is close to Tibet so you get the temples %26amp; Tibetan neighborhoods. Chengdu also has tea houses %26amp; lots to see such as a day trip to Leshan to see DaFo - a giant Buddha carved into the side of a hill on the river.



    That%26#39;s the problem with China - so many great things to see:)




    Hi Annie,





    Yes, there is sooo much to see and so little time!!!



    I%26#39;ve thought about Tibet and is looks so inviting. I guess I%26#39;m waiting to see how the situation plays out there and will make a decision at a later date. It is so tempting though. I%26#39;ve also thought about the Pandas, but I know we won%26#39;t be able to do everything, so for now they%26#39;re a low priority.





    Keep the suggestions and info coming. It is so helpful.





    Thanks again,



    Zingal

    3 - 3 1/2 weeks in China

    My husband and I are planning a trip to China and would like to spend around 3 l/2 weeks there. I%26#39;ve played around with an itinerary and would really appreciate any input, suggestions or deletions. We are independent travelers in our early 60%26#39;s and are in good health. From everything I%26#39;ve read, I don%26#39;t think we%26#39;ll need guides for most places. We don%26#39;t mind hiring drivers or guides when needed, but really do enjoy discovering places and things ourselves. We love the adventure, but are always cautious. Also, we hate to keep moving from one place to another every day or two, so the ideal time at each place for us is around 3-4 days. But, we do understand that if there%26#39;s not much to see, then less days is an option.





    I%26#39;ve listed the places and amount of time that we would like to spend at each location:





    Arrive Beijing and spend 4 nights





    2 nights Xian





    4 nights Hong Kong





    2-3 nights Guilin/Long Sheng





    2 nights Yangshuo





    1-2 nights Suzhou %26amp; Tongli





    3-4 nights Shanghai %26amp; then home





    We are open to all ideas and opinions and really do appreciate any advice. We%26#39;ve had wonderful experiences with Trip Advisor forums in the past and have done some wonderful trips because of all of you.





    Thank you.



    Reply to this post



    3 - 3 1/2 weeks in China


    in Shanghai,3-4 nights will be quite relaxing trip:)





    Since you will go to Suzhou, I think you could skip Yu Yuan Garden. You will have enough garden trips in Suzhou:) But Yu Yuan bazaar is a place worth t opay a visit, esp the steamed-bun in Nanxiang Steamed-bun Restaurant. Yummy yummy! And around that area you will find a old neighborhood %26amp; dongtai road antique market.





    the Bund is also a landmark in Shanghai, it deserves to visit both in day time and night time, at night, you could choose to take a river cruise on the Huangpu river.





    East Nanjing Road, walking street is a shopping street, at night will be very pretty with all the lights-up.





    People%26#39;s Square area: Shanghai museum, Shanghai urban planning exhibition center, people%26#39;s park. Shanghai museum now is free to public, don%26#39;t go at the weekends, lots of people and you might need to wait for a very long queue. But it%26#39;s definitely worth to go, thousands of masterpieces in it, my favorite is the hall of ancient sculpture.





    Lujiazui financial zone, 3 highest buildings in that area, very modern place in Shanghai. SWFC is the highest one, but you need to wait for quite long queue. Pearl TV Tower with a Shanghai history museum inside it%26#39;s worth to visit. Shanghai history museum is not that kind of normal museum. You will enjoy the models of Shanghai during different period. Jinmao tower is the 3rd highest among those 3, and the price is also cheapest, but you could try to have a drink on 87th floor without paying any entrance fee. ( observation deck is 88th floor)





    Walking around former French Concession is a must. I recommend in the morning, walking around Fuxing Park, you will see lots of people, doing drum dancing, taichi, singing... then Tianzifang is place you can%26#39;t miss, old Shanghai ';gate stone'; architecture with coffee bars and restaurants inside. You will find local people actually still live upstairs:D. Xintiandi is also a place for ';gate stone'; architecture, but it%26#39;s so new after the renovation.(Anyway it%26#39;s so a fancy place:) Changle Road %26amp; Huashan Road area it also a nice place for wandering around.







    BTW Suzhou is quite famous for silk items and the price is very competitive there. The place I recommend, tiger hill, West Garden Temple ( 500 original arhat statues), and lots of gardens, I like lingering garden, and humble Humble Administrator%26#39;s Garden, they are both 4 most famous gardens in China. I will choose to stay one night at ancient water town ( like tongli you chose). Choose a good guesthouse with ancient style beds %26amp; garden, special:D



    3 - 3 1/2 weeks in China


    ONE trouble for you is that you arrive in Beijing and leave from Shanghai but you want to go Hong Kong so you must have apply second Visa into China from Hong Kong.



    Based on your info the best traveling route is as follow:



    Arrive Beijing and spend 4 nights. That is enough. and at evening of the 4th day take by the train from Beijing to Xian (1200km) lasting about 11-13 hours. There are many trains daily. This is the best and cheaper way.



    2 nights in Xian would be OK. and then take by flight from Xian to Guilin (about 2000km) lasting about less than 2 hours.



    2 nights in Guilin, 1 night in Long Sheng and 2 nights in Yangshuo is great. and then at evening of the last day in Guilin take by T37 (21:48--10:23) from Guilin to Shenzhen (1040km) lasting about 12 hours 35 minutes. This is the cheapest way to Hong Kong.



    Arrive in Shenzhen and then transfer from Shenzhen to Hong Kong by bus or train or train.



    4 nights Hong Kong. and then take by train or flight from Hong Kong to Shanghai.



    Arrive in Shanghai and take by train or take by bus



    from Shanghai to Suzhou (84km).



    1 night in Suzhou and 1 night in Tongli. back to shanghai.



    3-4 nights Shanghai %26amp; then home.




    Hi,





    You can also change the order like this, Shanghai, Beijing, Xi%26#39;an, Guilin and HK. One entry visa is ok.





    Train tickets are not easy to buy, you need to wait in long queue, and you need someone who can speak English for help. When you sleep on the train, please note that there are four sleeper berths inside one cabin, two up ones and two down. Someone esle will share the cabin with you. And please keep the train tickets until you get out of the destination, the staff will double check your tickets when you going out of the %26#39;gate exit%26#39;. If you lost them, you need to pay the tickets again.





    You can book the air in trought the internet, you can visit www.ctrip.com. Ask your air agent book the international flights together with the domestic ones. You will get good price for the entire air package.





    Itinerary is ok, you can collect some place must-see in hand beforehand.




    Hi Cuteminmin %26amp; Travelingislife2008,





    Cuteminmin,



    Thanks you sooo much for all the information on Shanhai. I will keep all of it and use it for our time there. So much to see and so interesting.





    Travelingislife,



    I%26#39;ve changed our itinerary to either arrive or depart HK. It makes so much better sense. Thanks for your help.





    Zingal

    Fastest bus from Shenzhen airport to Hong Kong?

    Hi. I will be arriving in Shenzhen airport approx 10am in the morning. What is the quickest and most convenient bus I can take to Hong Kong? Are there different companies? Different routes?





    Thanks :)



    Fastest bus from Shenzhen airport to Hong Kong?


    Where are you going in Hong Kong? You might also want to consider taking the airport shuttle to the Luohu border, then walk across and take the MTR to wherever you need to go.



    Fastest bus from Shenzhen airport to Hong Kong?


    It does depend where you are going in Hong kong, but generally this service using the Shenzhen Bay border crossing is the fastest.





    See www.chinalink.hk/co_service_routes17.html





    For return see www.chinalink.hk/co_service_routes16.html





    Route details are:





    Hotline (Hong Kong): (852) 2230 3030





    Whole journey time: 75 minutes





    Through: Shenzhen Hong Kong West Corridor, with Hong Kong/mainland China checkpoints under one roof – convenient





    Cost: HK$100





    Departing from Hong Kong:





    6:15 – 19:15 daily; two buses departing hourly; at :15 and at :45 (6:15, 6:45; 7:15, 7:45; 8:15, 8:45; 9:15, 9:45, etc)





    Ticketing office: 1/F, Elements Shopping Mall, at Kowloon Station (Exit C, Kowloon Station of Hong Kong MTR)





    Departing from Shenzhen Airport:





    9:30 – 21:00 daily; two buses departing hourly; at :30 and at :00 (09:30, 10:00, 10:30, 11:00, etc)





    Ticketing office: A08, B04 counters, Arrival Hall, Shenzhen Airport




    Turbojet also run a high-speed catamaran service from Shenzhen airport (3 minute shuttle ride to the pier) to Hong Kong island.




    I would suggest, take taxi to Shekou Ferry terminal, from there, you can take ferry directly to HK.





    Taxi ride is approx 30-40mins and ferry is 60min.





    Also you avoid the more congested area of crossing from Shenzhen to HK. Whole this should take under 2 hours if it is timed right.




    The Shenzhen Bay border crossing is not congested.




    =Is there any way to find out what time ferries leave ?




    Is there any way to find out - what time the ferries leave?? I also tried the number given and the websites - and its all in Chinese :-(



    Unfortunately - i don’t understand a thing!




    Turbojet now only has one sailing per day from Shenzhen%26#39;s Fu Yong Pier (near the airport ) to China Hong Kong City Pier at Tsim Sha Tsui, Kowloon. The boat departs at 16:30.





    As Drumbrake suggested, your most comfortable mode of transport is to take the bus through Western corridor from the airport to Elements shopping mall at Kowloon Station.





    Another possibility is to take a taxi to Fu Tian, where you can then transfer to the train to Hong Kong along the MTR East Rail. The border crossing there is relatively uncrowded and facilities are modern.





    I don%26#39;t recommend crossing at Huanggang or Lo Wu if you could avoid it.




    ';Another possibility is to take a taxi to Fu Tian, where you can then transfer to the train to Hong Kong along the MTR East Rail.';





    Drumbrake, you alway give excellent advice:





    You think this is a good idea, if spending the money for the cab is no problem?





    Sounds more convenient, esp. for somebody who does not speak the ';common language';.





    How much would a taxi be to TST from Fu Tian?




    Sammyfloyd means taxi from Shenzhen airport to Fu Tian. I think the cost is around 100 rmb. Then you cross the border and catch the MTR East Rail to Kowloon, terminating at Tsim Sha tsui East. That way is fine - although have the address written in Chinese for the taxi driver - Fu Tian Kou An (福田口岸, Futian Port).

    Buying and shipping Flying Pigeon bike to Europe?

    I%26#39;ll be in Beijing in mid-April and am interested in buying a Flying Pigeon bike.





    So:





    1, Where in downtown Beijing can I get a new Flying Pigeon bike (I%26#39;ll stay close to the main train station)?





    2. Do they come in a box or all ready to bike away with? If I need to pack it, can they help me with that at the post office (is there one at the train station?)





    3, Roughly how much would it cost with surface mail to Europe? (Is it worth it? :)

    Dragon Delight Tours...

    Hi all!





    I have been lurking around these forums and is close make the final arrangements for my China trip.





    Plan is to travel around China in May for four weeks. I am thinking of enlisting the services of Dragon Delight Tours. And I wonder if there is anyone that know about this company? They have a website at www.chinatourstailor.com





    I also have some questions regarding my itinerary and choice of hotels. But will post questions later when I know more.





    Regards





    Anders



    Dragon Delight Tours...


    Hi



    I am thinking of booking with them. By now your trip should be over. How did it go? Would you recommend them.



    Thank you



    Dragon Delight Tours...


    Your trip is now over. Did you use China Tours/Dragon Delight, and if so, were you happy? We are looking at them for a couple one days tours in Bejing November 4-7th. A reply ASAP would be appreciated. Many Thanks. Stella




    Has anyone out there actually used Dragon Delight, aka chinatourstailor? What did you like best? least? Would you book with them again?





    Thanks,





    Workingmom



    tour companies in China

    I have booked my flights to China for September arriving in Beijing and departing from Shanghai. I would like to book a 12 day tour taking in the sights of Beijing, Xian, a Yangtze cruise and Shanghai. I have found a tour company called Simon Tours who are based in Xian. He has put together a private tour for 2 which is exactly what I want at a reasonable price. The hotels he has chosen look okay. I have compared the tour he is offering and it looks good value for money. I am now at the stage where I need to pay a deposit if I want to go ahead. Has anyone either heard of this company or used them in the past and can recommend them.



    tour companies in China


    Do a Google world wide search, China - Peking/Shanghai 12 days and see what other tours come up, there prices and what they offer then you will know if this is a realistic price.



    tour companies in China


    Hi, I was wondering if you ever did take that trip with Simon Tours.... I am looking at their tours too and wondering if it is a good company to go with!



    Thanks for any info! :)


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  • Just Back Report: Day 2

    Firstly to answer a couple of questions.



    1. No we didn%26#39;t try the Vegetarian Restaurant at Chi Lin .



    2. Flower market/Bird Market/ Goldfish Market are all very close - a couple of streets away from each other. Ladies Market is another station away at MongKok. Easy by MTR.





    Day 2 :



    After a Huge Buffet Breakfast at the Harbour Plaza Metropolis...including Pork buns, spring rolls, variey of dumplings as well as western breakfast we were set to go !



    Caught shuttle to TST Station then off to Tung Chung Station to visit the Giant Buddha and Po Lin Monestary. I was determined to catch the bus from Tung Chung station as I%26#39;m afraid of cable cars....caught one in Switzerland once and have white knuckle memories. Anyway somehow I found the courage and we took the cable car. It cost $ 96 HK per person return. There was hardly a queue as we were not in peak season. I was so brave!



    The ride was fine - over water and mountains. Very smooth and now I%26#39;m fine with cable cars.



    The Buddha you could see as we approached the landing area. It was indeed a giant.



    The walk through the commercialised village was fine. A few nice shops to look through ( chop stick shop ) and no harrassment at all. The walk up the 268 steps was great...even if we did have to stop to catch our breath every so often. The view from the top was worth it. All the time we we walking we could hear the chanting coming from the Po Lin Monestary. After visiting Buddha we walked to the Monestary - very beautiful. We also walked a way to the Tea Gardens...and turned back. What a dump! They should really do something nice with it. There was alot of construction going on , so they probably are.



    Back to the cable car and down to the station.



    We did stop at the Citigate Outlet Mall and found it to be good. We ended up in an Optical Store had ordered 4 sets of glasses. 2 Reading and 2 distance for my husband and myself. Lenscraft was the company. We had looked at Optical 88 and others in and off Nathan Road and found many discounted at the Citigate Outelet store. Though we had to return to pick them up, we just enjoyed shopping there a second time. It took 2 days to have them ready. They had a few with packages e.g. designer frame and lens for $ 1390 HK and $ 990 HK. Divide by 4.8 for Australian Dollars while we were there. I got Versace and D %26amp; G and hubbie got Versus by Versace and Ted Baker. We are very happy with them. Non designer ones were ofcourse much cheaper.



    Caught the MTR back to Hong Kong and walked around the IFC Mall - very flash and expensive stores. Then caught the MTR to Mong Kok station and walked to the Ladies Market. We ate dinner at a local restaurant at the Markets and food was great. Then we found the MongKok Computer Centre at 8 Nelson Rd and my husband was in heaven....I was bored!....



    to be continued...



    Just Back Report: Day 2


    Great to hear you had such a good time. And the part about going to the computer centre made me chuckle!



    Just Back Report: Day 2


    Sounds like fun...can%26#39;t wait to go. thank you for such valuable information!

    Just Back Report: Day 3

    Woke up to a blustery day in Hong Kong with temps low. After a hearty breakfast made our way over to Hong Kong Island and walked from Sheung Wan MTR up to Upper Lascar Row ( Cat Street ) where all the antique shops are. Up the hill to Man Mo Temple, up Hollywood Rd to the Mid Level Escalators passed the Fringe Club and walked to the Peak Tram Terminus. This semms like a long way but while you walk ,there are interesting buildings etc to see. We enjoyed it so much.





    There was a short queue to take the Tram up to the Peak. We paid with the Octopus card which was a total of $ 33 return per person. No queueing if you had this card! Octopus card was great. I just had it in the side pocket of my bag and at each station would just drag my bag over the screen and ';Beep'; ,I was through.





    The view from the Peak was foggy so, we just enjoyed the walk around. We didn%26#39;t bother going right on top , just stayed at the old temple looking peak outlook. We were interviewed by young primary school students practicing their English....made for a nice group photo.





    After the Peak we walked down and caught the Star Ferry across the Harbour back to TST and as it was our 30 th Wedding Anniversary we then went to The Peninsula Hotel for High Tea. Nice to see that there was no queue once again.





    It was 3.30 pm and by then we were wanting a sit-down. The Peninsula was lovely. Mainly sweets things for High Tea. They add taxes in the end so in total it cost us $ 437 HK for 2 people.( $ 91 Aus for 2 ). Lovely to hear the string quartet. Needed to go to the Ladies room and finally found it on the next floor up in glorious gold surroundings. Shops in the complex were fabulous to browse through...Tiffany%26#39;s, Bvlgari, Cartier etc. etc. Dream on !!! Also, great to see the British Racing Green Rollers parked outside along with Maserati%26#39;s etc etc.





    We then walked around Harbour City Mall awhile and made our to Jordan MTR and to the Temple Street Markets. Went back to the Hotel for a late dinner......to be continued.....



    Just Back Report: Day 3


    Zezz, Great trip report.





    I find trip reports interesting and informative.





    Thanks to all those members who take the time to give us their insights of their trips.



    Just Back Report: Day 3


    Nice report.





    I just want to clarify that at Peninsula, the added charges were likely the 10% service charge, not tax. There is no sales tax/consumption tax/VAT in HK.




    Keep the trip reports coming, just love reading about your trip and experiences. 8 weeks and I will be there for my self so your reports are well appreciated. Many thanks Jude




    Thank you for sharing your trip experience.




    I%26#39;m enjoying your reports so much! Only 24 more days for us!




    Thanks for your replying to my question.





    Great reports, I am of to China on Friday, and Hong Kong in the end of the months.




    Yes, Sammyfloyd, you are right. Sorry, my mistake about the tax.



    It was a service charge. I did see alot of things that are cheeaper in the Hong Kong '; real'; shops due to the no tax policy. Great !



    Just wish the exchange rate was the same as last year.....nothing is the same, unfortunately.

    Friendly Planet Travel

    Has anyone used this company for travel to China?



    group visit

    Does anyone have any suggestions of places to stay for 16 people visiting Hong Kong in JUne 2009?



    group visit


    Budget? Number of rooms needed? Ages?



    group visit


    ideally, no more than 拢50, 500 Chinese Yuan. We are 20- 30yrs old and the number of rooms doesn%26#39;t really matter as we all get along at the moment =P




    Check Hong Kong Hotels and click ';Specialty Lodging';. You will find Salisbury YMCA which has dorm rooms, and several good hostels which are recommended by TA travelers.

    China 2 weeks

    Planning a trip to China first weeks of October. Would like ideas on an itinerary and places that are most see. We are 3 couples who have traveled extensively before but non of us have ever traveled to China. Also any hotels, connecting flights or trains that are worth it. We all live in Tampa Bay area in Florida.





    China 2 weeks


    How long are you going. What cities did you have in mind. What are your intrests: history, cultural, shopping, etc. What is your budget Ie: 3,4 or 5 star.



    If you look at some travel brochures they usually list common itineraries and you can find tune it from there.



    Also guide books - the DK Eyewitness guide to China is a good one.



    For hotels there is a section of the Trip Advisor site dedicated to hotels %26amp; reviews. If you do a search (it is the button on the left at the top) then that will give you an idea of the options %26amp; cost in each city you visit.



    Flights are on www.ctrip.com or www.elong.net these 2 sites also have hotels.



    Popular trains that are modern %26amp; comfy are the overnight ones that run between Beijing %26amp; Xian and Shanghai %26amp; Beijing.



    Good luck with your planning



    Annie



    China 2 weeks


    Thank you. I will buy the book. we plan to stay around 15 days visit Beijing Hong Kong and Shanghai. Thanks again for the tips.



    Belinda




    Hi Belinda,



    If you are going to Hong Kong try %26amp; put it at the start or end of your trip cause Hong Kong is classed as international travel. It avoids having to get a double entry visa.



    Also flights are more expensive to %26amp; from Hong Kong from mainland China. Once again classed as international. If you are not doing Hong Kong as a stop over %26amp; to avoid the higher cost of the flight some people go via Shenzhen which is close to Hong Kong so you don%26#39;t have to fly - also has good shopping:) Then when you get to Shenzhen fly out from there.



    The book I mentioned is great for taking with you as it goes into the major tourist places in depth with maps.



    Cheers,



    Annie

    3 - 3 1/2 weeks in China

    My husband and I are planning a trip to China and would like to spend around 3 l/2 weeks there. I%26#39;ve played around with an itinerary and would really appreciate any input, suggestions or deletions. We are independent travelers in our early 60%26#39;s and are in good health. From everything I%26#39;ve read, I don%26#39;t think we%26#39;ll need guides for most places. We don%26#39;t mind hiring drivers or guides when needed, but really do enjoy discovering places and things ourselves. We love the adventure, but are always cautious. Also, we hate to keep moving from one place to another every day or two, so the ideal time at each place for us is around 3-4 days. But, we do understand that if there%26#39;s not much to see, then less days is an option.





    I%26#39;ve listed the places and amount of time that we would like to spend at each location:





    Arrive Beijing and spend 4 nights





    2 nights Xian





    4 nights Hong Kong





    2-3 nights Guilin/Long Sheng





    2 nights Yangshuo





    1-2 nights Suzhou %26amp; Tongli





    3-4 nights Shanghai %26amp; then home





    We are open to all ideas and opinions and really do appreciate any advice. We%26#39;ve had wonderful experiences with Trip Advisor forums in the past and have done some wonderful trips because of all of you.





    Thank you.



    3 - 3 1/2 weeks in China


    Hi Zingal





    You don%26#39;t say how you are getting from Beijing to Xian. If by train, think it arrives early am, this would give you two full days if you leave the following afternoon/evening. This is enough time to cover the usual in Xian. Would put the extra day somewhere else. How are you getting from Xian to Hong Kong? It is personal and some people may prefer to have the extra time.



    3 - 3 1/2 weeks in China


    Hi PoppetAustralia,





    Thanks for your response. We would like to fly from Beijing to Xian. From what I%26#39;ve read, the train takes too long (overnight). Are two nights too long to stay in Xian? Also, I%26#39;ve decided to change itinerary and either arrive or depart Hong Kong. Trying to decide which way is best.




    zingal



    Travelled to China last July and did the trains. Was told it would be tiring but my brother and myself found the opposite. Our days were busy, busy so get on the evening train, relax and sleep was a blessing in disguise. You do sleep well, meet the real people, and have time to write up diaries, postcards etc.and arrive rested, ready for the next adventure. I would recommend them. We are returning this July and will definitely be travelling by trains. Covers accomodation for the night and travel. An experience you would enjoy, I hope. You could try coming in from Shanghai, Suzhou etc and then Beijing, Xian and down to Guilin. That is pretty much what I intend doing this trip. Hard not to get greedy and do everything though. Good luck.




    Hello Poppet,



    Yes the trains in China are wonderful aren%26#39;t they:) - especially the ones between Beijing %26amp; Shanghai %26amp; Beijing %26amp; Xian are very modern.



    The K style trains are still interesting to travel on tho. I think people who take a train trip bring home lots of memories with them:) It%26#39;s a great experience.



    Zingal, I agree with Poppet, try %26amp; fit in a train journey if you can. If you are unsure look on www.seat61.com This is a great site about train travel in China.



    Good luck with everything.




    Annie, thanks for your comments. Have found this website and it is easy to follow.



    bestofguangzhou.com/travel/….



    Sure the destinations are different, but all I did was google, from where I was to where I wanted to go. Zingal, you will have a lot of different opinions, some prefer, flight, some train. It is an individual thing. Can only say again, give the trains a go, thumbs up.




    Hi Poppet %26amp; Annie,





    Thanks so much for the info on the train. I will definitely check them out. One thing though, I don%26#39;t want to share a berth with someone other than my husband. How comfortable are the berths? I guess what I%26#39;m trying to say is that when we travel, we want comfort and always try to find a really nice hotel room. It%26#39;s the one splurge we like to do on our trips. We love to be out and about all day, but love to come back to a really comfortable room with a comfy bed and linens. I%26#39;m just a little concerned about the overnight trains in this regard.





    Thanks again and any information is really appreciated.





    Zingal




    If you look at the seat61 site it gives descriptions %26amp; photos of the trains Beijing, Shanghai %26amp; Xian. The D, Z %26amp; T trains on these routes are all modern %26amp; comfy %26amp; fast. Most have ports for computers %26amp; some have TV%26#39;s. If you end up taking a 4 berth instead of a 2 berth then some people book the whole compartment.




    Hi Annie,





    I will look into it and see what the price difference is between the train and flying. Also will look at the map of the train to check out the berths and see what the price difference is between a 2 %26amp; 4 berth room. So many little decisions that mean so little in the big picture of the trip.





    Thanks again for all of your input.





    Zingal

    Beijing 3 days in July: need advice on tour guide, itinerary

    Hello everyone,





    Headed to Beijing July 12 - 15. We have a rough idea of what we want to do/see, but would love some feedback from the experts!





    We are getting in very early on the 12th (6:30 am). We are staying at the Crowne Plaza in Wangfujing.





    After reading many posts, I see that hiring a private tour guide is more highly recommended than going on a group tour. That being said, do you have recommendations for a good tour guide? It is our very first time in China, so we have no idea what we%26#39;re doing!





    We thought we%26#39;d get a tour guide for the first day, and see the major sights:



    Tian%26#39;an men square



    Forbidden City



    Lama temple



    Summer Palace



    Temple of Heaven





    In what order or grouping should these sights be seen? The first 3 seem relatively close to each other, then the others a bit farther.





    Our second day, (Friday, July 13th) we were going to go to the Great Wall. From my reading so far, I think that the Mutianyu section would be our best bet (my husband has some back problems, so we can%26#39;t do anything too strenuous). Would you recommend this area?





    Where is the best shopping area? Would love some great (not tacky) souvenirs.





    Is it worth fitting in an acrobatic show and/or a kung fu show? If so, what are the best places for these?





    What should we do in the evenings (besides eat, of course!)





    We love food, so any great restaurants or eateries that are a must when in Beijing would be greatly appreciated as well (I would love to try the Peking Duck, as well as any other specialty).





    I%26#39;m sure I%26#39;m missing a lot, so please tell me what are some must dos that we need to fit in!!





    Can%26#39;t wait to hear what you have to say!! Thank you!



    Beijing 3 days in July: need advice on tour guide, itinerary


    Hi Irishgirl,





    I can%26#39;t comment on any of the above but I would really appreciate it if you caould take some time to write a trip report when you get back. I have read several already but I am particularly interested in knowing how less mobile people go getting around in China. I will be going with my Mum later this year and she has problems with her Archillies tendon and so it hurts her to walk too much. I%26#39;m told there is alot of walking everywhere so I%26#39;ld be interested in hearing of your (and particularly your husband%26#39;s) experiences.





    Cheers,



    WM



    Beijing 3 days in July: need advice on tour guide, itinerary


    You won%26#39;t be able to see the major sights that you listed on only 1 day. These are all big places, you%26#39;re being unrealistic.



    Mutianyu Great Wall should be ok.



    What time are you leaving on the last day Sun 15/7?



    Thu 12/7: arrive Beijing 0630, check-in hotel, Forbidden City, sunset flag-lowering at Tiananmen Square, Wangfujing pedestrian street, Chinese acrobat/kung fu show (pick one), Donghuamen night snack bazaar



    Fri 13/7: Mutianyu Great Wall, Summer Palace, Peking duck dinner, foot massage



    Sat 14/7: Panjiayuan Market, Temple of Heaven, Hongqiao market, Yonghegong Lamasery, dinner on Gui Jie (Ghost Street), Qianhai/Houhai nightlife area



    Sun 15/7: leave Beijing




    Summer Palace (yihe yuan) [in my personal opinion much better than Forbidden City and this time of year should be is beautiful]





    Traditional Peking Duck (if you are not vegetarian) at:



    Long March Resturant (chang zheng fanzhuang) 17 Haidian Lu, Haidian District [or you can go here for a snack as it is about 10-15 minutes from the Summer Palace and not more than 5 minutes from Peking University if traffic is not so bad, Note that this is not an upscale resturant but one that is noted for delicious Peking duck]





    If you are vegetrian then try out:



    Green Tianshi Vegetrian Resturant [www.greentianshi.com This is a bit more upscale the food is delicious here even if you are not vegetarian worth a try]





    AND / OR





    Gong De Lin Vegetarian Resturant [This is not so upscale vegetarian but again very delicious it is located at Qian De Lin Nan Da Jie - sorry I only have the Chinese ask the hotel to help this is worth a trip!!]





    Chaoyang Theatre (chaoyang juchang) [these acrobats are worth seeing have the hotel arrange tickets, performances are nightly and I beleive that may have started an afternoon performance]





    Shichahai [this is a great place it has 3 lakes with several bars and resturants that foreigners frequent and is in the Hutong District. There is one place that is very interesting to get a drink and relax in a hutong it is called the Buddha Bar but nothing like the one in France and worth a trip]





    Walk around one of the Hutong districts and visit a tea house during the day - makes for great pictures too!





    Peking University (biejing daxue) [the campus is extremely scenic has beautiful gardens and a very scenic lake]





    Lama Temple (yonghe gong) [Beijing has a ton of temples if you have limited time then I suggest that this one is worth a visit as it is colorful]





    Frangrant Hills Park %26amp; Botantical Gardens (xiangshan zhiwu yuan) [This is outside of Beijing but if spring is in bloom or has bloomed in Beijing worth a trip]





    Great Wall at Mutianyu [This is less commercialized than Badaling and the view in my personnel opinion is more scenic]





    Great Wall Simatai [This is less commercialized than Badaling and the view in my personnel opinion is more scenic and this part of the wall has not been restored - this for those who want to hike in a bit more rugged and less commercialized environment]





    If you go to the Great Wall at Badaling then you can also go to the Ming Tombs (ming shisan ling) as well





    Grand View Garden (daguan yuan) [The TV movie Dream of Red Mansion was filmed here]





    Have a great time Biejing is a wonderful city many people speak English and it is common for University Students to approach Foreigners in a public place just for a small chance to chat in English as they don%26#39;t often get the opportunity unless they go and create the opportunity. If this happens I suggest taking a minute or two and just asking a few questions such as ';what is it like going to school in China'; ';Are you from Beijing? ';If yes what do you like the most about the city'; If No, how is Beijing different from your home town';





    Summer Palace (yihe yuan) [in my personal opinion much better than Forbidden City and this time of year should be is beautiful]





    Traditional Peking Duck (if you are not vegetarian) at:



    Long March Resturant (chang zheng fanzhuang) 17 Haidian Lu, Haidian District [or you can go here for a snack as it is about 10-15 minutes from the Summer Palace and not more than 5 minutes from Peking University if traffic is not so bad, Note that this is not an upscale resturant but one that is noted for delicious Peking duck]





    If you are vegetrian then try out:



    Green Tianshi Vegetrian Resturant [www.greentianshi.com This is a bit more upscale the food is delicious here even if you are not vegetarian worth a try]





    AND / OR





    Gong De Lin Vegetarian Resturant [This is not so upscale vegetarian but again very delicious it is located at Qian De Lin Nan Da Jie - sorry I only have the Chinese ask the hotel to help this is worth a trip!!]





    Chaoyang Theatre (chaoyang juchang) [these acrobats are worth seeing have the hotel arrange tickets, performances are nightly and I beleive that may have started an afternoon performance]







    Shichahai [this is a great place it has 3 lakes with several bars and resturants that foreigners frequent and is in the Hutong District. There is one place that is very interesting to get a drink and relax in a hutong it is called the Buddha Bar but nothing like the one in France and worth a trip]





    Walk around one of the Hutong districts and visit a tea house during the day - makes for great pictures too!





    Peking University (biejing daxue) [the campus is extremely scenic has beautiful gardens and a very scenic lake]





    Lama Temple (yonghe gong) [Beijing has a ton of temples if you have limited time then I suggest that this one is worth a visit as it is colorful]





    Frangrant Hills Park %26amp; Botantical Gardens (xiangshan zhiwu yuan) [This is outside of Beijing but if spring is in bloom or has bloomed in Beijing worth a trip]





    Great Wall at Mutianyu [This is less commercialized than Badaling and the view in my personnel opinion is more scenic]





    Great Wall Simatai [This is less commercialized than Badaling and the view in my personnel opinion is more scenic and this part of the wall has not been restored - this for those who want to hike in a bit more rugged and less commercialized environment]





    If you go to the Great Wall at Badaling then you can also go to the Ming Tombs (ming shisan ling) as well





    Grand View Garden (daguan yuan) [The TV movie Dream of Red Mansion was filmed here]





    Have a great time Biejing is a wonderful city many people speak English and it is common for University Students to approach Foreigners in a public place just for a small chance to chat in English as they don%26#39;t often get the opportunity unless they go and create the opportunity. If this happens I suggest taking a minute or two and just asking a few questions such as ';what is it like going to school in China'; ';Are you from Beijing? ';If yes what do you like the most about the city'; If No, how is Beijing different from your home town';





    If you want to get around Beijing more efficiently and get some more historical background on the places you will go and see - Uni Student Guides some are still studying other have recently graduated. These guides are typically English majors just earrning extra cash to off set their spending the older - honestly I don%26#39;t think they are any better than the student guides.




    Ellyse and Chad,





    Your posts are so helpful! My husband and I are so eager to get there! Thank you! We aren%26#39;t leaving Beijing until 6:30 pm on the 15th, so hopefully we%26#39;ll be able to fit in a few things that day as well.




    My experiences are you get more reliable and certain information (than a local tour guide) if you buy the DK Eyewitness Travel Guide ';Beijing %26amp; Shanghai.'; You get the introduction ';Four Great Days in Beijing'; all laid out for you, including page references to the details inside the book. (Not every recommendation is perfect, but you get the idea.) Like all DK guides, this is beautifully illustrated on every page with full-color photos, artwork, cutaways, streets maps and walking tour maps.





    The DK guides are not much as to hotel and restaurant recommendations, but there is a ';practical information'; section in the back that will answer many of the questions asked every day here at the China Forum, such as currency, airports, local transportation, personal security and so forth.




    We hired a private guide for three of our days in Beijing and we were very happy we did. On one day he took us Mutianyu. You should absolutely go to this section. You can take the ski lift up and down so the only walking would be on the wall and you could do as much of that as you want. Our guide arranged a car which was so nice and spacious. I am six-feet so that was so wonderful for the long drive. We actually did Temple of Heaven and Lama Temple on our own. You need to go to Temple of Heaven early in the morning (before 10) and take a walk around the park. That was the most interesting part of our time in Beijing. You need to make sure and see the exercise park and the people ballroom dancing. Our guide took us to Tian鈥檃nmen and Forbidden City, and then we also went on a Hutong tour. We walked through the Hutong and to a local vegetable market. Might not be the best if you have trouble walking though. We also saw an acrobats show at Tiandi (I think that was the name of it-Heaven Earth Theater). The performers were probably all under the age of 12. Our guide arranged tickets for us. Hope you enjoy your time in Beijing. Let me know if you want the information for our guide.




    Adaptabletourist - can you give me some more info about your guide?



    Thanks!




    why don%26#39;t you stay at Sage International youth hostel. From there, you can walk everywhere.




    All of the following in one day? Impossible!



    Tian%26#39;an men square



    Forbidden City



    Lama temple



    Summer Palace



    Temple of Heaven





    Suggest you break up according to Ellyse%26#39;s schedule. Thats another second opnion if you need to be convinced.





    Closeby T square (to the south) is another very interesting antique/souvenir area featuring traditional looking shops on cobbled stone streets. Rickshaw rides available too - the name is Liulichang.




    Also a guide is not required for most of these destinations - enough English signage to get by and point on a map for taxi drivers (or have concierge write down all of your destinations for the day in Mandarin). The other thing is book your tickets for Kung Fu/Acrobatics on the day you arrive before going out.


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  • Bargaining

    Should I bargain at the street markets such as the Ladies and Night Market?





    Does the same hold true when shopping at the LoHu in Shenzhen? We are planning on having a gown tailored in Shenzhen and I was wondering if it is normal to bargain the stated price?





    Less than four weeks before we arrive.



    Bargaining


    You may bargain in street markets if you wish, and from memory in most of Lo Wu. It%26#39;s not compulsory however and as I keep saying, often you%26#39;re just arguing over pennies. However if you%26#39;re buying a big-ticket item of some sort you should always attempt to find their best price. Being a tourist, it probably won%26#39;t be the lowest they%26#39;re prepared to go, but it%26#39;s definitely worth it with things such as watches and jewellery. However I doubt if anyone is going to be insulted if you don%26#39;t, as some people seem to think. Or if they are, so what you%26#39;ll never see them again. Just have a quick look at etiquette, and don%26#39;t bargain if you don%26#39;t intend to buy, on the whole. Keep a smile on the face, keep it light.



    Bargaining


    Definitely bargain at the local street markets. The worst case is they will tell you no bargaining and then you can just walk away.





    Somebody posted a video link a while ago and it showed a young girl bargaining at a local market. I think she got it down to half the price.




    English speakers typically get quotes of 150%-200% of actual selling price at HK Ladies market, based on my own comparison. Your mileage may vary.




    Bargin and bargin hard, in Hong Kong markets they dont tend to start out at ludicrous prices and I generally work on about 20% off (this is a guide line some products more, some less)



    But in Shenzhen I generally work on paying around 30% of their first price. You will be ripped off big time if you dont haggle. I have been offered prices at 10 times the going rate. They expect you to haggle over the price.





    The best thing to do is bargin for an item and have an idea how much you want to pay (keep it real low) if they let you walk away just keep walking you will see the same product within 10 feet, after a while you will get an idea of what the going prices are (for tourists anyway I doubt the locals are paying the same rate).



    One thing dont get agressive, they are just making a living and if you haggle with a laugh and some theatrics (feigning a heart attack always seems to get a laugh and a cheaper counter offer)it makes for a fun day.





    At LoHu start on the top floor and work your way down as the ground floor seems to be the more expensive.






    I am a regular at LuoHu and I never haggle with my tailor. I want to have a long term relationship with her and I value the fact that she will mail me stuff (at no extra charge) or come in early to see me etc. Her prices are reasonable and her workmanship is good. I ask her for ';best price'; in the fabric market and I assume she gets some kickback when she takes me shopping for fabric.




    Bargaining is expected in the Ladies Market in MONGKOK. I usually start at 50% of the vendor%26#39;s starting price and work from there.





    Once you get close to what you want to pay, smile and close the deal.





    Most of the vendors (to me) seem to have fun in the process.





    Have fun!




    I will start bargaining at 50% and then work my way up in price.




    In all the markets my target to pay is uaually 50% of the asking price or a little over.



    So I will usually start a bit lower, but will increase my bids by very small increments. It%26#39;s often worth going for a ';bulk discount'; if you want a couple of watches or shirts or whatever.



    With tailors it%26#39;s usually normal to bargain (unless you have developed a long-term relationship with him/her) but the margins are less, so you should not try to negotiate silly prices. You can usually sense if your suggested price is way out of court.



    As said above, do the bargaining with a smile - good humour usually gets a good result.




    My smile shall be with me the entire time that I am bargaining.

    Where to watch Super14 rugby in Tianjin?

    Hi,





    Just wondering whether there are any bars etc that show Super 14 rugby in Tianjin? Any advice much appreciated. Cheers

    Li river cruise from Xingping to Yangdi - easy to do?

    I read some forums about this section of Li River cruise that is supposed to be the most scenic route. How easy it is to get a boat or bamboo raft from Xingping? Also, how easy to get transportation back from Yangdi to Yangshuo? Thanks.



    Li river cruise from Xingping to Yangdi - easy to do?


    Have alook at this www.yangers you might find some info there



    Li river cruise from Xingping to Yangdi - easy to do?


    In yangers.com, they made it sound that it may not be possible to do it, depending on the situation/condition of the day. However, looks like many people actually did it, based on the foruns I read. That%26#39;s why I am a little confused.




    To get the bus to Xingping go to the bus station and just say the name %26amp; they will put you on the right mini bus. They go backwards %26amp; forwards constantly. When you get off in Xingping there will be people hanging around at the bus stop %26amp; will offer to take you to the bamboo rafts. Just get one of them to take you to the raft - will only cost a few RMB. You can either walk down to the river or take a cart ride.





    From what I can work out - Yangdi to Xingping: this trip on the river isn%26#39;t really ';official';. You have to get someone to orginise it for you but it can be done. You can catch the bus to Yangdi arrive there in the morning before all the tour boats come through.



    I am booked in at the Rosewood Inn www.yangshuorosewoodinn.com and if you look on their website they have a runthrough of things they can arrange. If you get stuck for ideas maybe ask them.



    Hope this helps,



    Annie

    Airport Bus to Citadines Ashley

    Hi



    Does the airport bus stops at or stops near Citadines Ashley?





    Thanks.



    Belinda



    Airport Bus to Citadines Ashley


    Airport bus A21 stops along Nathan Road, which is a couple of blocks from Ashley Road where Citadines is located. You should get off at stop no.14 (Middle Road), walk backwards and cross to the other side of Nathan Road at Peking Road. Follow Peking Road for 3 blocks and you will see Ashley Road. Should be about 10 minutes walk.



    Airport Bus to Citadines Ashley


    Hi Belinda, yes, if you take airport bus -A21(fare:-HKD33),alight at stop # 14,which is outside Imperial Hotel(on Nathan Road).





    Then from Imperial Hotel:-





    1). Head North,i.e. walking against flow of traffic towards Peking Road.Peking Road is across on the other side of the road,so you need to cross road.





    2). Then once you are on Peking Road,continue straight,where you passed Lock Road first(on your right),then Hankow Road(also on your right);





    3). After Hankow,the next road on your right is Ashley Road,so turn in here,and Citadines Ashley is further up from where you turned.





    This walk from Imperial hotel will take around 10-15minutes,giving allowance for crossing Nathan Road onto Peking Road,and also navigating your self from the human traffic.




    oppss... looks like it%26#39;s abit of walking. Since I have 4 adults + 1 child, might be more worth well to take a cab direct from the airport to Citadines instead of taking express train or airport bus?





    From airport to citadines would cost around HKD280+?




    Hi Belinda, HKD280 for the taxi from Airport to your hotel is more than sufficient-a good budgeted figure to work on. If traffic condition is good,am sure you will have change from this figure. Just remember,there is a surcharge of HKD5 for each piece of luggage placed in the car boot,and also HKD30 for the bridge fees.





    Have a safe and pleasant trip and a great holiday in HK with your family.





    Note:- HK taxi are able to take up to five(5) passengers.